Love, (as a closing in a letter to a friend) (2025)

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EdisonBhola

Senior Member

Korean

  • Aug 2, 2015
  • #1

Hi all, is "love" as a letter closing considered feminine? I'm not from Western culture and to me, it is really feminine.

e.g.

Love,
John

I feel that the above looks very wrong and that this closing is only used between females. Is that the case?

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    Procol

    Senior Member

    Bordeaux

    British English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #2

    Hi
    Certainly not. You finish a letter with "love" when writing to someone you are close to, regardless of gender. A male person (we shall call 'John') writing to his mother/sister/girlfriend/wife would finish with "Love, John"

    perpend

    Banned

    American English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #3

    EdisonBhola said:

    I'm not from Western culture and to me, it is really feminine.

    Why is it feminine in your culture, EB?

    natkretep

    Moderato con anima (English Only)

    Singapore

    English (Singapore/UK), basic Chinese

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #4

    It can certainly be used by men. Some people would use it only people they are close to; others use it more generally. I think I can use it when writing to other (older) men, say to a father or uncle.

    Remember that 'love' can be used as a general term of endearment in some parts of Britain to strangers as well. If you wander into a shop, the shop assistant might say, 'Are you all right, love?' (In this instance, the speaker is likely to be female, addressing a man or a woman.)

    rhitagawr

    Senior Member
    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #5

    From a woman to a woman, it's fine.
    From a female relative or a girlfriend to a man, it's fine.
    From a man to a female relative or a girlfriend, it's fine.
    I wouldn't expect it from a woman with whom I had a close platonic relationship, although I suppose it would be unexceptionable. It would be at worst odd. I might suspect she wanted a sexual relationship.
    I wouldn't use it when writing to a woman with whom I had a close platonic relationship.
    From a man to a man, it would signify a sexual relationship - at least to me. I certainly wouldn't use it when writing to my father/brother etc. even if I did love him as a member of my family.
    I think EB's got a point. There's more than a hint of femininity about it.

    perpend

    Banned

    American English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #6

    rhitagawr said:

    From a man to a man, it would signify a sexual relationship - at least to me. I certainly wouldn't use it when writing to my father/brother etc. even if I did love him as a member of my family.

    Is that maybe a cultural Welsh standpoint? It's weird for me that you think "love" when written between males, signifies a sexual relationship. I consider that shallow (from you).

    DonnyB

    Moderator Emeritus

    Coventry, UK

    English UK Southern Standard English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #7

    This seems to be emerging as more of a cultural issue than a language question. Love, (as a closing in a letter to a friend) (6)

    For what it's worth. my perception is that children, particularly young ones, use it pretty indiscriminately.

    As a male adult, I'd have probably used it with close/immediate family, but I don't have any surviving relatives to whom I'm sufficiently close to consider using it now. Wife or girlfriend/boyfriend would be OK but I wouldn't use it with just a casual friend of either sex.

    Make of that what you will. Love, (as a closing in a letter to a friend) (7)

    rhitagawr

    Senior Member

    Wales

    British English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #8

    I agree with DonnyB that it's a cultural thing as well. And a personal thing. Although I live in Wales, Perpend, I'm English. Apologies, everyone, if I didn't make myself clear in my original post. When I said man to man, I didn't mean man to male relative. My only close male relative is my brother. I'd be surprised to get a letter saying Love from him even though I know he loves me as a brother. And I wouldn't say Love when writing to him even though I love him as a brother. I don't regard this as shallow. That's just the way we do it. If other people want to do things differently, then fine. I suppose my brother and sister-in-law writing jointly might say Love and I might say Love in return.

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    EdisonBhola

    Senior Member

    Korean

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #9

    What if, say a 15/16-year-old boy writes a letter to his best male friend/schoolmate, can he use "love" as a closing?

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    EdisonBhola

    Senior Member

    Korean

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #10

    perpend said:

    Why is it feminine in your culture, EB?

    I guess part of the reason is that we don't tend to show our feelings as readily. I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post. I just want to make sure it's okay to close a letter using "love" when it's between males, in western culture. I love western culture and would love to learn as much as possible about it. Love, (as a closing in a letter to a friend) (9)

    Glasguensis

    Signal Modulation

    France

    English - Scotland

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #11

    I agree that this is a cultural rather than a linguistic question. Many men regard expressions of emotion as feminine, and therefore are reluctant to express emotion - they would view any such expression as sexual. This type of man is likely to be particularly uncomfortable expressing love for another man, since that would carry associations of homosexuality, even in a father/son/brother relationship.

    Personally I use love with family members and with close friends, although I am careful with close male friends in case they are of the type who would be uncomfortable with it.

    I would not recommend it for a teenage boy writing to a male friend.

    DonnyB

    Moderator Emeritus

    Coventry, UK

    English UK Southern Standard English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #12

    EdisonBhola said:

    What if, say a 15/16-year-old boy writes a letter to his best male friend/schoolmate, can he use "love" as a closing?

    I wouldn't have dreamt of doing it at that age, and I think I'd have felt very uncomfortable if I'd received such a letter.

    Nowadays? I don't think a teenage boy would do it unless one (or probably both) of them were gay.

    rhitagawr

    Senior Member

    Wales

    British English

    • Aug 2, 2015
    • #13

    I agree with DonnyB. I don't think you've offended anyone, EB. And it's important to get this kind of thing right in order to avoid any misunderstandings. It sounds as though some men would say Love to a close male relative (although I personally wouldn't) and if everyone's happy with that, then fine. Otherwise, if it's man to man, there's a sexual element. If a woman writes a letter, there's a bit more leeway.
    Two hundred years ago, if a man said he loved his neighbour (a man) there would be no reason to snigger unless there was some separate indication of a sexual relationship. But times have changed. Perhaps we've become more judgemental.

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    FunkyCamomila

    New Member

    Russian

    • Sep 26, 2018
    • #14

    Hello Everyone!
    What would you recommend a boy of 9 write instead of "Love" when writing to a boy? In a school letter the teacher reduced points for not writing 'love" but my son won't write "Love" to a boy for obvious reasons. Thank you!

    Glasguensis

    Signal Modulation

    France

    English - Scotland

    • Sep 26, 2018
    • #15

    The usual alternative is « Best wishes ».

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    FunkyCamomila

    New Member

    Russian

    • Sep 26, 2018
    • #16

    Thank you, Glasguensis.

    Packard

    Senior Member

    USA, English

    • Sep 26, 2018
    • #17

    rhitagawr said:

    From a man to a man, it would signify a sexual relationship - at least to me. I certainly wouldn't use it when writing to my father/brother etc. even if I did love him as a member of my family.

    I think it is OK for a sibling, or even a brother-in-law. But I would stop and think before I used it for either. In my situation with my brother (who lives 600 miles away and I don't see often) or my brother-in-law (who I still keep as a friend even though my sister has died) I feel "love" works fine.

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    Glenfarclas

    Senior Member

    Chicago

    English (American)

    • Sep 26, 2018
    • #18

    FunkyCamomila said:

    Hello Everyone!
    What would you recommend a boy of 9 write instead of "Love" when writing to a boy? In a school letter the teacher reduced points for not writing 'love" but my son won't write "Love" to a boy for obvious reasons. Thank you!

    If the boys are friends, then "Your friend," would be a suitable complimentary closing. If the boys are not friends, or if they don't know each other at all, then I think we would need to know more about the circumstances of the letter (how old are the boys, and why is one writing to the other?) in order to judge what would sound natural and appropriate.

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